Friday, April 16, 2010
EXCERPT FROM THE iam FACEBOOK PAGE FROM A EX-UNION OFFICIAL
I have been on both sides, in union jobs and at Delta. I am retired from Delta and I see the IAM and its supporters making outrageous claims and outright lies. Seniority is used in almost every instance at Delta. Tom when I was an IAM member in the 70's the membership was much higher, you're losing members every year. Edwin, don't tell me about ... See MoreSWA, I helped organize them under the IAM in 1977, our first contract was $600 a month and it has taken them 33 years to get to their current pay scale. They are a different kind of carrier than Delta, no freight or cargo, no mail, no small packages and only carry luggage. Mgt style and strategy, one kind of A/C is why they can pay a higher rate but w/o having to pay union dues Delta agents make about $500 a month more than comparable airline like NWA, plus DL has profit sharing, stock options, 401K matching funds, bonus for certain performance goals met, retirement, insurance and 3 more holidays a year and DL employees get 4 weeks after 10 yrs while it takes NWA employees 16 yrs.
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I think WN cargo agents would be very surprised to learn that they are no longer in the airfreight business...
Kevin--
Like air tran and other discount carriers,wn does not carry a lot of freight. They are a totally different business model
The claim in the post was that they do not carry it at all.
As for their business model, I'm well aware that it's quite different from DL's, thanks.
Kevin--
Mr. Kevin---There was not alot to that answer---you can't dispute anything else?
I thought after such a glaring error, there rest was instantly discredited, but since you asked...
"Delta agents make about $500 a month more than comparable airline like NWA, ""
Not sure which "comparable" airline Rock's referring to, but the base rate difference is currently is $160, not $500.
Also omitted was the fact that folks hired prior to '06 topped out in 5 years, whereas at DL it's 10. Those people were making much more for much longer than their DL counterparts.
"plus DL has profit sharing, stock options, 401K matching funds, bonus for certain performance goals met, retirement, insurance "
Uh, we have all of that except the 401k match, which is replaced with the IAM pension fund.
As for "retirement," not sure what Rock's referring to (maybe both of our frozen pensions?), but we have retiree medical, DL does not.
"and 3 more holidays a year and DL employees get 4 weeks after 10 yrs while it takes NWA employees 16 yrs."
We actually have 5 holidays, with 2 floating. Rock's math here isn't off; the sheet on DLNet is.
And yes, after BK, it now takes 16 years to get to the 4th week, but we also get a 5th and a 6th week. I wonder why that was left out? I noticed the unlimited sick & OJI accruals we have at NW weren't listed either...
Kevin--
8:14--
(note: I posted a response yesterday, but it never saw the light of day. If it's still in the queue, I apologize for the double post)
I felt that Rock was so off on WN carrying freight and mail that it instantly discredited the rest of his post. Nevertheless, here ya go:
"Delta agents make about $500 a month more than comparable airline like NWA,"
Don't know who the "comparable" one is, but the difference between NW & DL base rates currently is $160, not $500. I would take it one step further and say it's even less than that when comparing a shift with an inclusive lunch to an 8.5 hour shift at DL.
"plus DL has profit sharing, stock options, 401K matching funds, bonus for certain performance goals met, retirement, insurance"
Uh, we get all of that too, except the 401k match, which is replaced on our side w/the IAMNPF. Not sure what Rock meant by "retirement," but I'm guessing he's referring to the frozen pensions both sides have. PMNW also have retiree medical, which PMDL employees do not. He also left out unlimited sick/OJI accruals, overtime distribution procedures, grievance resolution, displacement language, and a host of other items.
"and 3 more holidays a year and DL employees get 4 weeks after 10 yrs while it takes NWA employees 16 yrs."
Rock omitted the 5th & 6th week for PMNW employees. Not for nothing, but pre BK, we got the 4th week after 9 years. Going back to the "old" timeframe would be something I'd certainly like to see.
Kevin--
I can tell you retired from Delta. You have definitely drank the kool-aid.
Your wrong about SWA. People do care about them making between $26-$27 per hour. They dont care about 1977. They do carry things other than baggage. Your not as smart as you think.
Profit sharing????????? All we have received for the past two years is a bowl of chili on the day they announce there is not profit sharing for two straight years. Stock options are a joke. Richard Anderson gets "Gift" awarded stock options. Where is my "gift"? Look it up on MSN Money. 401K matching funds? What are you talking about? Southwest has matching funds. CASH matching funds!!!! Delta receives stock matching funds. What a bunch of crap!!!Retirement? Whats is so good about loosing 50% of my social security when I retire from Delta. Insurance? Almost better to go out on my own to get insurance since the rates have increased so much at Delta. 3 more holidays? Wow! What a reason to not pay union dues. NWA tops out at 6 weeks of vacation and Delta tops out at 5 weeks of vacation.
Your vision of how wonderful Delta is to you is pitiful!!!!!! Get ready to loose half of your social security when you start drawing.
Your claims of lies from the IAM is laughable!!!! Go drink some more Kool-Aid!!!!!!!!!!!! Your retired, you have a lot of time to do that.
SWA does pay union dues - Ramp to the TWU and Agents to the IAM.
Write a factual post next time. Maybe thats why no one comes here to debate. You sound like Richard telling half truths and leaving out important details trying to spin a debate.
Your site is ZZZZzzzzz.
No one said swa don`t pay union dues, Get off the iam rot gur and you might be alright!
I found this in the book handed out at the DL parking lot. Very interesting union material.
IS IT HARD TO GET THE UNION OUT IF UNHAPPY???
IAM Article L Section 3 The following actions or omissions shall constitute misconduct by a member which shall warrant a reprimand,fine,suspension and/ or expulsion from membership.......Attempting,inaugurating,or encouraging or attempting to inaugurate any dual labor movement,or supporting movements of organizations inimical to the interest of the IAM or its established laws and policies.
Unions can also delay decertification almost indefinitely by filing unfair labor charges against companies. No matter how unfounded their charges may be,unions cannot be decertified while they are pending. With appeals, that can prevent decertification for years
Getting rid of a union is even more difficult for employees in the airline and railroad industries because they're subject to Railway Labor Act that does not contain a provision for decertifying a union. The only party that can challenge an existing union is another bargaining agent and it has to wait two years and get cards signed by 50% of the employees in order to get an election. Airline and railroad employees can also be fined,disciplined, etc., for challenging their union.
Further...GET THIS FOLKS!!!!!
Federal law exempts unions from prosecution for acts of violence committed in pursuit of legitimate union objectives...{US v. Enmons}
Former senator Carl T Curtis said labor unions have become the only instance in which governments signally fail their prime function--prevention of coercion and violence. So if you vote IAM and later realize you made a mistake and try to get rid of them ,don;t expect the IAM to sit idly by.
More to come on unions.
r they really that hard to get out? they told me only 50% had to want them out.
Getting rid of a union is even more difficult for employees in the airline and railroad industries because they're subject to Railway Labor Act that does not contain a provision for decertifying a union. The only party that can challenge an existing union is another bargaining agent and it has to wait two years and get cards signed by 50% of the employees in order to get an election. Airline and railroad employees can also be fined,disciplined, etc., for challenging their union.
Further...GET THIS FOLKS!!!!!
Federal law exempts unions from prosecution for acts of violence committed in pursuit of legitimate union objectives...{US v. Enmons}
Former senator Carl T Curtis said labor unions have become the only instance in which governments signally fail their prime function--prevention of coercion and violence. So if you vote IAM and later realize you made a mistake and try to get rid of them ,don;t expect the IAM to sit idly by.
More to come on unions.
April 22, 2010 8:05 AM
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Your little anti-union book you handed out last week is a joke.
1.-The pro-union guys want to know where you received the money for those books. 2.-Are you willing to disclose you financial statements on those books? You use the Delta and Northwest logo's on your anti-union signs. 3.-Do you have permission from Delta and Northwest to use those logo's? 4.-If so, can you show us proof of permission to use the company logo's?
I almost forgot.......the issue of getting a union out. You and your book say its hard. BUT YOU ARE SO WRONG. I read on Facebook that the TWU used to represent the employees who trained the pilots on the simulators. I read that there was less time spend on getting the union out rather than the time it took to get the union into Delta. Lets see if you have done your homework. If the TWU used to be at Delta and represented Delta people and the TWU was voted out, then is there still a union at Delta for the pilot instructors?
I awaite your response. Thanks.
I found this in the book handed out at the DL parking lot. Very interesting union material.
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Hmmmmm. There were F.I.T. members out there handing that little book out last week.
Where did they get the money for that little book?
I will expect an answer from the F.I.T members who run and are on this site and who were out at the parking lot in Atlanta.
Let's see if your man enough to answer the question of where the money came for the little books. And there was as little information in the book as the book was little. Let me tell you.
Anyway, answer the question.
I`m not in atl nor am I on fit.
are the things said about decertification true or not? Simple question.
What are you refering to? I do know its very hard to get rid of a labor org. once they are firmly entrenched in a company.
Why do the union brothers say that it is easy?
Why do the union brothers say that it is easy?
we know how to read the RLA.
You just read Deltanet's lies.
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